For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 12 It teaches us to say ‘No’ to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to … Calvary chapel ‘papa’ Chuck also never disavowed his associations with Aimee and also Kathryn Kuhlman along with Lonnie Frisbee. Here are two parts of the statment of faith from the Christ Vision Uganda’s blogspot site: It is this gospel that is eliminating the “wall of separation” as Paul described it in Ephesians. I’ve concluded it can only be 2Cor4:4, because people can read. See our “Difficult Verses” section for a discussion of Matthew 7:21-23. It is a gift that takes our breath away and when rightly perceived leaves us in awe. The prison doors are open, but some remain inside. Well I’m not going to let him!” The question was simple enough, yet he couldn’t bring himself to answer it. I know you are contending.. Reminded as I saw an article by a guy who was ‘outing’ lawkeepers, but advocating keeping law in order to keep your salvation… People need to KNOW what the simple gospel is and not put up with those who preach another gospel, who preach another Jesus (2 Cor 11:3-4). The Bible clearly speaks of two kinds of faith: one that justifies, and another that is of no value - a faith that even the devils exercise! I believed at the age of 4, one time, and have never re-asked Jesus to come in to my heart. I think not according to Paul’s rebuke about them not being straightforward about the truth of the gospel. I catch myself so quickly doing something I do not want to do, or worse, doing something on purpose I know I should not do. I can very much relate to your illustration of trying to hold back an avalanche with a snow shovel. Rom 10:3-4. What is grace and what is so great/amazing about this grace. Unfortunately, works as proof of salvation, and life change as Christian testimony are still the mainstay. My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, Joh 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? do all interpret? Paul Ellish where is your biblical truth that supports what you are saying! [16] Do not err, my beloved brethren. We, however, will not boast beyond measure, but within the limits of the sphere which God appointed us—a sphere which especially includes you. Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Daniel, welcome and thanks for your comment. “Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins”. I do my best to stay out of debating the Gospel because there really is no debate there is only one question . What context is that in, is it for the gospel. Definition of Grace Grace is where God initiates and provides everything necessary for salvation, and where He initiates and provides everything necessary to live as a functioning member of the Body of Christ. It’s even good news for Christians. Paul taught: believers NOW are in the Body of Christ and will be caught up into heavenly realm and NOT inherit the earthly kingdom as promised to Israel. If he dies in that condition, it was permanent in regard to his earthly life.”. Someone please show me in the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke or John) or in the early book of Acts where the gospel message being preached was salvation through the atoning death, burial and resurrection of Christ. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. 1 Corinthians 2:2: For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. (When Paul tells the Corinthian saints they have been bought with a price, he’s referring to the Corinthian saints, not humanity in general (1 Cor 6:20, 7:23, see also Rev 5:9).). Thank you, “Whenever you read the word “grace” in the Bible, you can substitute the name “Jesus.” I don’t understand how you can fill in the name Jesus for grace….the verse above would not only NOT make sense, but it would also be extremely redundant…. I made a call to Andrew Farley’s radio show the other day. It’s a tragedy. every failure has some kind of connection of failure to see who we are in Christ Jesus. Stu – I missed your post above mine, which didn’t seem to be there earlier, but may have. You say ‘cognitive assent’ as if it is a bad thing. That’s is no gospel. And yes the Good News is that simple! Willmington said it so eloquently, “All other religions say ‘do, do, do;’ Christianity is the only religion that says, ‘done. So isn’t it more important how His Word equates obedience? No matter how vibrant such a church appears to be from the outside, it is nothing but a pool of stagnant water, identical to the temple at the end of the Age of Law. I wonder why? (rom 11:1-32) the church age began with the jewish believers and it will be concluded with jewish believers. And we can be fully confident that God’s cures are effective! Much of the Bible was written to instruct believers as to how they should live. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. Joh 6:59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum. Those few words of kindness are precious to me; I shall think of you as our Pearl, she of great price’ 🙂, Kenneth Groenewald I will give unto him that is athirst the water of life freely. When Christians fail to see the difference in the gospel message revealed to the apostle Paul from other gospels in the Bible, then what the church preaches becomes an uncertain sound and causes confusion. An alternative meaning, is that when a person believes on Jesus as Savior, he literally receives the seed of God, with water used as a metaphor. My husband enjoys hunting, shooting and fishing. This is what he wrote about himself in Phil 3. as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. On the inside, you now look exactly like Jesus and your status before God is “perfect forever” (Heb 10:14). Christ certainly does miraculous things in our lives as we grow in His grace by cooperating to remain in His Word and abide in Him. Healing from cancer, millions of dollars, and “glory stories” of earthly success are all real blessings from God for some people. Therefore, any message that adds to faith alone in Christ alone, is a false, counterfeit message that cannot save. It is shocking that so many sincere people are unaware of the fact that “grace” and “obedience” are not enemies. The range of meaning includes physical life and the soul. if it was before conversion THEN Paul was still Pharisee. How far does the grace of God go? Secure Forever! Of the remaining 133, only four are contained in the gospels and they all refer to the Lord Jesus (Luke 2:40, [13] And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; That promotes this, put your hand on the bible and tell me you never get sick or weaker with age…. John 11:25-26: The emphasis must always be on Jesus Christ and Him crucified. john The consensus seems to be that one can hardly attend a church in which LS does not pop up in some form at some time. Change ). 1:4, Rev. We are not suggesting that any should sin that grace might abound. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. The verse about having someone to interpret and if not he’s speaking to only himself and God? And let no one defraud you, judging you unworthy of your prize! God’s will is that we should have understanding, and so He does not give something to someone they don’t understand that is not for the edification of all. by people who do not know me, only that I have challenged those who teach, in part, an LS gospel of good works being evidence of Salvation and sinful acts as evidence of not being saved. 11:30)? So, I would ask…if Paul and Peter (as well as the other of the 12) were teaching the exact same thing – the sinless life, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ the God man in flesh, and our salvation through his perfect and finished sacrifice giving us a Heavenly hope – why then in Luke 18:34 does it say that upon Jesus predicting his death a 3rd time to His disciples, who have been walking with him and preaching “the gospel” for 3 years, that “they understood none of these things because they were hidden from them”? Jimmy Swaggart told me a few years ago that by trusting in God’s justifying and preserving grace, I would end up living a life of sin before long—and hus, lose my salvation and be consigned to Hell. 5:1-2; Eph. Paul said it was not too hard for us to where we would ask “who is going to bring Him down from heaven so that we may obey” Nick Vujicic So what other passages are bothering you???? This is very different from repent and be baptized for the remission of sins. It is fulfilling to see people from class “get it” about the Gospel of Grace. The word “hath” means you have it now. Great!!!! 2 Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth. Of course, these are all labels for one and the same gospel. That is what we do here and we appreciate your research. The two groups, Arminians and Calvinists, both have their eyes on their own works. Thank you for the information on Nick Vujicic. Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. John 6:39-40. [25] Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: We complete the mission the same way we started – by trusting in God’s amazing grace: But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. Romans 10:9: That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. In no way does scripture teach that the work of water baptism is required to receive the free gift of eternal life. Let’s take the second criticism first. I hope you might consider any of this and study His Word in order and praying for His understanding. see for all these gone years we had been astray. Kyle Idleman, Lordship "Salvationist" Exposed - Review by Jim F. Northland Bible Baptist Church; Dr. Tom Cucuzza. chapter 1 by the apostle of grace himself. You made the statement, “Believers can live in the ‘far country’ if they so choose, but ultimately the call of home leads us back to Him.”. You hit the nail on the head! If your premise is wrong, and a lost person errantly believes that he can receive eternal life by trusting in Christ, and by being obedient and not sinning too much, that person will go to Hell. pick up a KJV. The article examines thirty-one different false claims of Lordship salvationists. Of the remaining 133, only four are contained in the gospels and they all refer to the Lord Jesus (Luke 2:40, John 1:14, 16, 17). In other words, their eternal life can never be lost or forfeited. Wake up, these promises are For Sure in the Spiritual Realm, not in the temporal! The Internet address is http://www.dbc.edu. There have been times when I believed in him being God and resurrected. His Word really does have power, and if I spend some time there, remaining, hearing His Word, it’s what I need, it’s the good part that will never be taken from me. So it is with salvation by grace. Maybe the most amazing fact gleaned from Christian history appears in Galatians 1:6: "I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel." WE BELIEVE that salvation is a free gift from God; that a sinner is saved by grace through faith alone, wholly apart from any human merit; that all who believe in Jesus Christ and His atoning work on the cross, receiving Him through faith, in true repentance, confessing Him as both Savior and Lord will be saved. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. 38 He that believeth on me, >>as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. Don’t forget the “gospel of Christ” (Rom 15:19), the “gospel of your salvation” (Eph 1:13), the “gospel of peace” (Eph 6:15), the “glorious gospel of the blessed God” (1 Tim 1:11), and the “eternal gospel” (Rev 14:6). So you are saying each worship a different Jesus? I am sorry to say but I wish not to born on this earth at all. 8-9). Please for your sake, for your family if you have one, stop right now and just spend some time with Him in His Word and ask Him to show you what is the gospel. Please note that this same word “quchn” is used in Matthew 20:28 with respect to Jesus: Matthew 20:28: Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many. Jason, I don’t like responding to hypotheticals or being asked my position on groups that surely include a variety of beliefs. Galatians 5:17:For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? With your permission of course? They couldn’t keep it. Great! This spiritual birth is the Water we see spoken of in the next chapter. Hopefully they will tell the truth about Joel. On the cross Jesus became our sin offering. And having times of knowing and times not. I absolutely agree that believers are the Body of Christ because we receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit when we put our faith in the finished work of Christ for salvation and forgiveness of sin. They taught that a person could lose their salvation! The parallel descriptions of "gospel" and "grace" as "truth" link the two as synonyms in the passage. There seems so little taught about the Bema and rewards – or loss of them. There have been times when I questioned. I need a yes or no answer, and I shall ask no more questions. Most on this blog including myself have been set free from the Indoctrination of religion ” The teachings of man” you can call it Calvanism or any other “ite” or “ism” system of thought. Both based in grace, absolutely, but programs with differing promises and differing conclusions. They mix it with the Law, and that isn’t the Gospel at all. Phil R. Interesting you should bring up the ‘gospel of prosperity’, just watched a video awhile ago, don’t know if it’s old or new, but had to just shake my head. So true, only they phrase it the other way around, saying “repent (or turn) from your sins and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ“. Then walk in that Spirit and give it your best shot so to speak because He has covered everything. It’s the same with Him, if I do not just live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of the Lord, I do so much better. 2:8-9). As the debate continues to rage as to what exactly it takes to be saved, I wanted us to think about what distinguishes the true gospel from a false one. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? It is the Greek word “pisteuo” meaning to have faith in, or to trust in. We also teach that someone who receives eternal life by a one-time belief in Jesus Christ as Savior is eternally secure. I join with you too John right now for Stu, that he might really study with God’s approval in mind. 4. yourself. Is it enough coming to him saying Jesus save me not knowing everything at once and questioning at times? I’ve since ceased arguing with these people about it. It’s able to keep us from sinning if we hide it in our hearts. There are many who claim they believe one is saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone and almost always seem to add the word “but” to it. together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. It isn’t until Paul that a true understanding of the finished gospel is given and the Body of Christ revealed! True salvation is freedom from the requirement of keeping any part of the Law to get or maintain salvation. Once Billy dies, all the Billy G stuff that will be solicited (books. The gift of grace is by ONE man. It’s so frustrating because you get to a point where it seems like there is nowhere to go. Not trying to be arrogant or anything, just wondering as i watch people go thru years of this. Phil, Promise Keepers swept through churchianity for a few years and was gone. We receive eternal life by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. Kenneth. When you say “Yes!” to Jesus, he moves into your life and you become one with him in spirit. It is the message of the good news of salvation, the word of truth offered to mankind by grace through faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross. ONE GRACIOUS GOD PROVIDING ONE GRACE,ONE JESUS WHO IS MANIFESTED GRACE AND THE HOLYSPIRIT THE ONLY MEANS BY WHICH WE CAN UNDERSTAND AND EXPERIENCE THIS GOSPEL OF GRACE AND TRUTH. Grace is accessed initially at the point of gospel obedience. Joshua Ben Moses, You asked, ‘Doesn’t this verse mean that there is more to the gospel than recieving God’s grace? It’s a precious gift and I am grateful for it (as we all should be). There are believers that use their liberty as a license. I truly appreciate your encouragement. Patrick, if you have access (as it seems you do), and I do not know how much, there are several good resources that expreacherman recommends. Happily, the good news of God’s grace IS the good news of King Jesus and his kingdom, for Jesus is grace and grace is Jesus. The simplistic of physical things could cause depression from Lyme disease to a UTI and both are hard to detect unless they are specifically tested for. In conclusion, let me wrap things up by giving a summary: The gospel is the good news that Jesus Christ died to pay for all of our sins and came back from the dead. by David Wilkerson Let me give you the heart of the true grace message: It is not a permissive gospel but one that teaches holiness! And, if so, how would eternal life ever be eternal? what has really captured my attention is that ,the gospel of grace is not based on works or doctrines but in Christ Jesus our Lord.He himself became the atoning sacrifice for our sinfulness.Glory be to God. Prof Julius Muthengi Phd I am privileged to be able to teach the Bible on Sundays to a group of about fifty adults. Millions can testify that when they quit trying to earn salvation, but simply put their faith in Christ, they were born again. eg “go into all the world, preach the gospel make disciples” etc. My point again is simply this: If I can be saved by simply putting my trust in Jesus Christ as my Savior, then why would I have to do anything else to be saved? Good news is, All sin are forgiven. Rom. I too refer to the gospel as “my gospel,” not because I’m right and everyone else is wrong, but because it is a revelation of grace given to me (and everyone else who preaches it). If it was, I’d be in BIG trouble! (Acts 20:24). Brother Groenewald, You are so right. But they, measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise. A follower is a disciple. 2 Cor 11:3-4 – But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the SIMPLICITY that is in Christ. And you will bring more down with you. We do not need to hunker down and ask God to give us things. We suggest that you contact Dayspring Bible College & Seminary. Please see also 2 Cor. They usually reference the verse about needing someone to interpret…once again, a real language! But, unless and until you trust in Christ alone as your Savior, you won’t be able to understand scripture in a spiritual way (see 1 Corinthians 2:13-14). However, if I find someone caught in an error, I have this huge desire to try and help them see the Truth while praying urgently lest Jesus come and catch them out of fellowship! It’s the gospel of Jesus a.k.a. My comment: Jesus commissioned us to preach the gospel. In this case, it is translated as “life.”. Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. :)….if you love Jesus you will understand the gospel of grace. Even back in 1 Cor 12 speaking to who Paul called carnal and spiritually babes, he did not testify that all believers spoke in tongues (1 Cor 12). The reason I allowed this one is to show just how illogical your reasoning is. We don’t have permission to continue to displease our Father but He loves us still. It is impossible to follow Jesus? It gives me knowledge of the One who suffered and died on my behalf, how unappreciative or how I really don’t comprehend the magnitude of what He did, or what He suffered for me. Those who believe they can lose their salvation through sin do not believe the gospel message. When we believed, we were justified, glorified and sanctified eternally. The passage in James 5 reminds me also of a similar one regarding Timothy, who we know very well was saved (as in eternal life), and so we are not considering eternal life with this admonition using the word ‘saved’, but deliverance (save) of a physical kind from consequences of not abiding in His doctrine. Note that He NEVER KNEW them. 1. I would prefer to say, “ultimately the call of God should lead us back to him” (following Ephesians 2:10: “For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them”). So, I press on! The Suffer for Success Gospel That he might start again with the gospel. The word “pervert”, metastrepho, means, according to Vine’s Expository Dictionary, to transform into something of an opposite character”. What their wonderful works are? These people may find it hard to see their need for God’s grace because of their external performance. As kGod to bring you His Joy of this salvation to your mind and let your mind In Acts 16 when Paul is addressing the Phillippian jailer and is asked “what must I do to be saved?”…Paul answers “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved, you and your household”. Our Identity. Ephesians 3.1-9 clearly states that this gospel was hidden until it was revealed to Paul. Ezekiel 18:27-28 gives the flip side: [27] Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. Hi Stu and Welcome Its His Great Christmas Present Just curious; how would this interpretation of the four gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, reconcile with the fact that – by the time they penned the 4 gospels, they would have been indwelled with the Holy Spirit and would have understood the mystery? I have said the sinners prayer in so many ways to make sure I got all the stuff in I thought was needed. Keep reading and you will come across Paul telling the Romans about “my gospel” before warning the Corinthians to hold firm to the gospel that “I preached to you.”. Yes, and Abraham Jesus blood father was being distinctively an Iraqi. A psychologist does have their trigger finger on a psychiatrist to call and they try to work together. The greatest thing you can do is believe the good news of God’s grace revealed in the One he has sent. Then I came here. Thank you for taking an interest. My point in bringing this up is that the teaching of eternal security does not mean that we can sin with impunity. Romans 5:19, For we dare not class ourselves or compare ourselves with those who commend themselves. If we don’t reach people with the true gospel then we shouldn’t be surprised at the result. This was NOT the case prior when the only way a person could receive the promise of the Messianic kingdom was to become a Jewish proselyte and be blessed through blessing Israel. The Bible says in James 2:10: For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. There are no believers who are unsaved. It’s true that it is not about my performance or obedience but it is all about Jesus Christ, You know one mentioned to me that Joel has been very favorable as of late to Muslims, and so this may be a two-fer. The Gospel of the kingdom will be preached again afetr the rapture of the body of Christ (mystery) to Israel to prepare them to receive their once rejected kingdom! friend, we have all had scriptures that have thrown us for “a loop” in our walk with God. “For IF you live according to the flesh, you WILL DIE; but IF by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you WILL LIVE. his believers to, among other important points, keep prophecy (all about Israel) completely separate in doctrine from the mystery revealed to him— Body of Christ (his converts).. I am separated from You because of my sin. Hi Ben, many from the Pentecostal and Charismatic churches, as well as some others believe you can ‘walk away’ from their salvation. The gospels and early Acts period are a foretaste of the Kingdom promise made to Israel (all the world here could only benefit by coming through the blessing of God’s chosen people, Israel)…they were set aside (postponed) during this age of Grace/mystery revealed only through Paul, who called it “my gospel” for a good reason because it was NOT exactly the same as that of the other apostles. The doctrine is still true. Osborne say “God came in a Jew – now He lives in you”! I read your FB posts and see you have some real “theological” odd-balls harassing you.. but you answer them very well. Well, believe it or not, I was aged between 3-4 years old when God’s Grace was first made known to me. They said only one thing: Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved”. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! 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